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	<title>Comments on: Sonic Youth and iLike, Sony and eMusic, Pearl Jam and Target &#8211; WTF?</title>
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		<title>By: Nathan Carson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 09:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scion has been sponsoring a significant number of underground metal shows and festivals recently. I haven&#039;t heard a huge backlash against that. And it&#039;s hard not to get excited about a well-curated festival with no cover charge...

I really see sponsorship as a simultaneously optimistic and dystopian possibility for the future of music. But which devil do you deal with and how many really worthwhile bands can they really afford to help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scion has been sponsoring a significant number of underground metal shows and festivals recently. I haven&#8217;t heard a huge backlash against that. And it&#8217;s hard not to get excited about a well-curated festival with no cover charge&#8230;</p>
<p>I really see sponsorship as a simultaneously optimistic and dystopian possibility for the future of music. But which devil do you deal with and how many really worthwhile bands can they really afford to help?</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie Vail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie Vail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, how is this a sponsorship?  I wouldn&#039;t consider it that at all - they are using iLike as a tool to stream their music.   That&#039;s completely different than Pearl Jam filming a Target ad which  I can guarantee you they were paid TONS of money for.  Appearing in a commercial versus having a web site stream an album (and not even be the first ones to do so) is just not a fair analogy to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, how is this a sponsorship?  I wouldn&#8217;t consider it that at all &#8211; they are using iLike as a tool to stream their music.   That&#8217;s completely different than Pearl Jam filming a Target ad which  I can guarantee you they were paid TONS of money for.  Appearing in a commercial versus having a web site stream an album (and not even be the first ones to do so) is just not a fair analogy to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s Irving Azoff&#039;s take on recorded music&#039;s decline and how to make money for his artists -

“Recorded music is more a marketing tool than a revenue source” for acts now, said Azoff, who also still manages the likes of The Eagles, Neil Diamond, and Christina Aguilera. His storied career, and well-earned reputation as one of the fiercest and savviest managers in the business, took flight with the Eagles, back in the Seventies when both Azoff and his artists were significantly more mustachioed and bushy-haired than they are today.

They also had a much easier time making a dollar back then. Today,“recorded music is down to less than 6%” of major musical acts’ revenues, he divulged. To put this in its proper perspective, consider that such income once was such acts’ “biggest revenue source,” he added.

Much of what Azoff said pointed to a view of music revolving around the live music experience. This, obviously, plays into his wheelhouse as one overseeing business interests so dependent on concerts. Still, his logic is convincing, and the examples he cited concerning what he called the “demonetization” of the music business were striking.

Artists walk in to his office, Azoff said, “who used to make $300,000 to $500,000 a year in royalties [from selling recordings]. And now that’s diminished to less than $50,000” a year. This means, unsurprisingly, “the creative side” of the music business is “very anxious” about the changes that have swept this landscape.

His answer, as cringe-inducing is it may be to artistic types uncomfortable with the ways of business, is understanding the branding and promotional value of music. He cited new deals like his client Aguilera working with Procter and Gamble to launch a line of fragrances. 

Read the whole article here - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/FineOnMedia/archives/2009/05/irving_azoff_an.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Irving Azoff in Business Week Interview&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s Irving Azoff&#8217;s take on recorded music&#8217;s decline and how to make money for his artists -</p>
<p>“Recorded music is more a marketing tool than a revenue source” for acts now, said Azoff, who also still manages the likes of The Eagles, Neil Diamond, and Christina Aguilera. His storied career, and well-earned reputation as one of the fiercest and savviest managers in the business, took flight with the Eagles, back in the Seventies when both Azoff and his artists were significantly more mustachioed and bushy-haired than they are today.</p>
<p>They also had a much easier time making a dollar back then. Today,“recorded music is down to less than 6%” of major musical acts’ revenues, he divulged. To put this in its proper perspective, consider that such income once was such acts’ “biggest revenue source,” he added.</p>
<p>Much of what Azoff said pointed to a view of music revolving around the live music experience. This, obviously, plays into his wheelhouse as one overseeing business interests so dependent on concerts. Still, his logic is convincing, and the examples he cited concerning what he called the “demonetization” of the music business were striking.</p>
<p>Artists walk in to his office, Azoff said, “who used to make $300,000 to $500,000 a year in royalties [from selling recordings]. And now that’s diminished to less than $50,000” a year. This means, unsurprisingly, “the creative side” of the music business is “very anxious” about the changes that have swept this landscape.</p>
<p>His answer, as cringe-inducing is it may be to artistic types uncomfortable with the ways of business, is understanding the branding and promotional value of music. He cited new deals like his client Aguilera working with Procter and Gamble to launch a line of fragrances. </p>
<p>Read the whole article here &#8211; <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/innovate/FineOnMedia/archives/2009/05/irving_azoff_an.html" rel="nofollow">Irving Azoff in Business Week Interview</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gerard Cosloy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerard Cosloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this will continue to be a case-by-case sort of thing.  Some sponsors are more likely to alienate fans than others, though keep in mind, some fans care about this issue more than others.   But in this specific instance, I&#039;m hesitant to even call this a sponsorship.  Sonic Youth were not, as far as I know, paid a fee by iLike.   Bands have been doing online premieres with a number of commercial entities for some time now (MySpace, Rolling Stone, MTV.com, etc.) --- I&#039;m not aware of a prior instance where an artist has been singled out for criticism for allowing a large, heavily-trafficked (presumably) site to stream their material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this will continue to be a case-by-case sort of thing.  Some sponsors are more likely to alienate fans than others, though keep in mind, some fans care about this issue more than others.   But in this specific instance, I&#8217;m hesitant to even call this a sponsorship.  Sonic Youth were not, as far as I know, paid a fee by iLike.   Bands have been doing online premieres with a number of commercial entities for some time now (MySpace, Rolling Stone, MTV.com, etc.) &#8212; I&#8217;m not aware of a prior instance where an artist has been singled out for criticism for allowing a large, heavily-trafficked (presumably) site to stream their material.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerard/Marshall,

I&#039;m glad that you both have strong and dissenting opinions about how indie bands work with sponsors, (I refrain from using the term &#039;corporate&#039; as it&#039;s too inflammatory,) as it throws a spotlight on the issues that will arise after bands abandon major label record contracts. The labels have been the bank for many years providing funds for recording and touring and also enviable distribution reach. So, let&#039;s say for arguments sake that the playing field has been leveled and a small band on Matador and a big band previously on Universal, have to now chase after some kind of sponsorship to improve their income stream around the release of the physical product.

As sales of recorded music slump do either of you have an answer to how best strike deals with sponsors without music fans thinking that sponsors have simply replaced the &quot; big bad major labels?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerard/Marshall,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that you both have strong and dissenting opinions about how indie bands work with sponsors, (I refrain from using the term &#8216;corporate&#8217; as it&#8217;s too inflammatory,) as it throws a spotlight on the issues that will arise after bands abandon major label record contracts. The labels have been the bank for many years providing funds for recording and touring and also enviable distribution reach. So, let&#8217;s say for arguments sake that the playing field has been leveled and a small band on Matador and a big band previously on Universal, have to now chase after some kind of sponsorship to improve their income stream around the release of the physical product.</p>
<p>As sales of recorded music slump do either of you have an answer to how best strike deals with sponsors without music fans thinking that sponsors have simply replaced the &#8221; big bad major labels?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gerard Cosloy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerard Cosloy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marshall, I&#039;m not suggesting your editorial content is controlled by Microsoft any more than it would make sense to say Ticketmaster has input into Sonic Youth&#039;s repertoire.    

We all have our own opinions about what constitutes (in your words) an &quot;obnoxious&quot; company to be associated with (hey, some might include the Universal Music Group), and your feelings on that matter are as valid as mine.  I&#039;ve already mentioned that SY have done a good deal recently to circulate their new music through outlets that have no connection to Ticketmaster.  Your implication the band are eager to distance themselves from the iLike arrangement runs contrary to a news item on their own website &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sonicyouth.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sonic Youth.com&lt;/a&gt;    

The next time an artist chooses to premiere new material -at NewsCorp.-owned / not-paying-indies MySpace, can we look forward to an editorial lambasting them for their failure to support independent outlets?   My apologies if you&#039;ve already composed a few of those.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marshall, I&#8217;m not suggesting your editorial content is controlled by Microsoft any more than it would make sense to say Ticketmaster has input into Sonic Youth&#8217;s repertoire.    </p>
<p>We all have our own opinions about what constitutes (in your words) an &#8220;obnoxious&#8221; company to be associated with (hey, some might include the Universal Music Group), and your feelings on that matter are as valid as mine.  I&#8217;ve already mentioned that SY have done a good deal recently to circulate their new music through outlets that have no connection to Ticketmaster.  Your implication the band are eager to distance themselves from the iLike arrangement runs contrary to a news item on their own website <a href="http://www.sonicyouth.com" rel="nofollow">Sonic Youth.com</a>    </p>
<p>The next time an artist chooses to premiere new material -at NewsCorp.-owned / not-paying-indies MySpace, can we look forward to an editorial lambasting them for their failure to support independent outlets?   My apologies if you&#8217;ve already composed a few of those.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim - thanks, updated the post to reflect the non-exclusivity of the arrangement...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim &#8211; thanks, updated the post to reflect the non-exclusivity of the arrangement&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Bierman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Bierman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave-

Make sure you have your facts straight. Pearl Jam&#039;s Target deal is NOT and exclusive deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave-</p>
<p>Make sure you have your facts straight. Pearl Jam&#8217;s Target deal is NOT and exclusive deal.</p>
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